RMIUG Meeting Minutes - An Employer's Perspective
of Internet Job Placement
The thirteenth meeting of the Rocky Mountain
Internet User's Group (RMIUG) was February
14th, 1995. About 70 people were in attendance,
a sizable turnout given the fact that RMIUG
sent out no meeting announcements to the
regional press -- all publicity for the
meeting was conducted by email and word
of mouth. Further, the weather was terrible
and it was Valentine's Day to boot. RMIUG's
Executive Committee felt that it was better
to hold to our regular meeting slot rather
than change nights for Valentine's Day and
take the chance of having people not hear
about the switch and show up at the regular
Alek Komarnitsky (firstname.lastname@example.org)
MC'ed the meeting, which featured two experts
who discussed the Employers' Perspective
in using the Internet for Job Placement.
A third panelist was unable to attend due
to the inclement weather.
Some general administrivia issues and
announcements of interest:
- We currently have over 700 people signed
up on RMIUG's Email list. Note that an
Email to email@example.com generates
an auto-reply with info about RMIUG and
how to subscribe to any of RMIUG's 3 email
discussion lists. Those wishing to receive
only general announcements regarding upcoming
meetings and notes of importance from
RMIUG's Executive Committee should subscribe
to the moderated list, firstname.lastname@example.org.
There is another _unmoderated_ list for
discussion of items of interest to the
Front Range Internet community which is
Alek made the point that because rmiug-discuss
is unmoderated, it must be self-moderated
by its participants if this community
resource is to remain useful to the membership.
- Kaleigh Santos (kaleigh@solarz.Colorado.edu),
who works at the New Vista High School
in Boulder, is looking for a donation
to the school of a DEC boot disk. DEC
has already donated a computer for the
use of New Vista; however, it did not
come with the boot disk, which is proprietary
to DEC. New Vista High is also looking
for a donation of a copy of Windows for
the PC. For more information, contact
- Will Clurman (email@example.com/phone:
440-0402) announced that rmiug T-shirts
will be printed with the 2 logos that
were chosen during last month's tie-vote
at the conclusion of the logo contest.
About 20 people at the meeting were interested
in purchasing an rmiug T-shirt, which
will feature Dave Eisler's "RMIUG with
mountains" logo on the front, left breast
of the shirt; and on the back, Erin Santos'
picture of a "Roomiug," a unique rodent
with horns and a necktie.
RMIUG will produce these T-shirts
at cost. The shirts will be all cotton
and will have a color logo on the back.
If 50 people pay for a shirt at the
March 14th meeting, the price of the
shirts will be $15 each. If only 20
people pay for a shirt at the meeting,
the price will be $20 each.
If 50 people commit to purchasing
a shirt before the March meeting, the
price will be $15 each. Those interested
in purchasing a T-shirt should email
to Kaleigh@colorado.edu with
the subject header:
RMIUG T-SHIRT> (Number of Shirts You
Want to Order)
In the body of the message, please
use this form:
- I will purchase an RMIUG T-shirt,
and I will pay for this shirt in person
at the March 14 meeting or through
snail mail by the date, March 15.
Number of shirts: Size: (S, M,
L, or XL)
I will (please delete one of the
following options): a. show up at
the March 14th RMIUG meeting and
pay by check. b. snail mail a check
by March 15 to:
c/o Kaleigh Santos
12581 Maria Circle
Broomfield, CO 80020
After the March 14th meeting, we will
announce the T-shirt price (either $15
or $20) to the email list, so that those
who are unable to attend the meeting
will be able to order shirts as well.
Anyone who is already sure that he/she
wants to buy a T-shirt should please
email right away, so that Kaleigh has
an idea of how many shirts will need
to be produced.
- Bryan Buus, (firstname.lastname@example.org) RMIUG's
Webmaster, recently co-authored a book,
``Managing Internet Information Systems,''
which has been published by O'Reilley
and Associates, and is now available.
Call OReilley & Associates, 1 (800) 998-9938
to purchase this book or for more information.
The Panelists for the main presentation were:
Gary Resnikoff (email@example.com),
a principal at National Career Search (NCS).
NCS is a recruiting firm that specializes
in low-cost staffing services, and has used
the Internet extensively for recruitment
over the past two years. NCS publishes Career
Magazine on the Internet, an online resource
that is free to job seekers, Human Resource
managers and career-minded professionals
in the Networked World.
Randy Holt (firstname.lastname@example.org), Manager
of the Internal Support Staff at Intergraph
in Boulder and at several remote sites.
Randy is responsible for hiring engineers
to work on his staff, and has taken the
initiative to use his knowledge of the Internet
for recruiting. He finds the Net an effective
tool that complements the more traditional
hiring mechanisms of his company's HR department.
Gary Resnikoff spoke first, describing
the history of NCS with recruitment on the
Internet. He told how NCS takes a non-traditional
approach to the staffing business by offering
low-cost, basic candidate generation and
screening services for client employers.
NCS at times works on retainer for certain
clients, but in general tries to avoid high-cost
contingency fee services, in which the recruiter
must try to sell a single candidate to a
hiring authority. Instead, NCS focuses on
providing several qualified candidates to
an employer for a fixed fee of around $400.
He stressed the point that a recruiter
is a professional at marketing a candidates
skills and personality. This marketing is
an essential part of a successful job hunt.
Career Magazine features:
- A searchable database of thousands of
technical and professional job openings
worldwide, searchable by location, skills
required, and job title. This database
makes it easy to search through job postings
in the major Internet job postings newsgroups.
- An interactive forum for the discussion
of job search and workplace issues.
- News and articles, including selections
from the Wall Street Journals National
Business Employment Weekly, containing
insight on career-related issues.
- Corporate profiles of various employers.
- Classified listings of career-related
products and services.
- A directory of executive recruiters
organized by industry category.
Career Magazine is produced in Boulder
and attracted 30,000 users in the month
Gary made certain specific suggestions
to job seekers from his perspective as a
- Use the reference ID# or "Job Order
#" if you see one in an Internet job posting
- Your cover letter is very important
in the process, and should show that you
have the qualifications for the job.
- You may not need to have _all_ the qualifications
for the job, but you should have 3 or
4 out of 5.
- Email your resume in ASCII text form
because you never know what software applications
your reader will be using.
- Resumes should be short: 1 to 2 pages.
- It's OK to send an unsolicited resume
to a recruiter, but make sure that you
state your desired job locations, title,
and the minimum salary that you will accept.
Stating your minimum doesn't mean that
you won't get more, but it does ensure
that your time won't be wasted with offers
for less than you could feasibly accept.
- Always wear a suit and tie to an interview.
- Prove to the hiring manager that you
can do the job: sell yourself on the basis
of the results you can provide.
Next, Randy Holt spoke about his experience
using the Internet as a hiring tool. He
addressed his comments primarily to people
that want to use the Net as a hiring tool,
but many of his suggestions were applicable
to the Internet Job Hunter as well:
Newsgroups: people who through their participation
clearly add value to the discussion.
The WWW resources that Randy likes best
for its salary guidelines.
Career Magazine (http://www.careermag.com/careermag/)
for its searchable listings of job openings
and its employer profiles.
JobWeb options include searching for a job
by geographic location (zip code or city),
by required skill (keyword and length of
time), by company name, or any combination
thereof. Users can also e-mail their resume
to JobWeb, to member companies specifically,
to a list of companies, or to a list of
jobs. Users can enter their skills on-line
as well. A candidate can leave their resume
in a "general area" also. Member companies
can collect and view their resumes on-line.
You can also search all "general area" resumes
by keyword or length of time and keyword.
Members can add, modify or delete available
job and background information.
Pieces of advice that Randy has for hiring
- You want your company listed in places
on the WWW.
- Check out the postings in misc.jobs.misc.
- Check out the posting "Grumpy hints
for bad job posters" in misc.jobs.misc.
- Include Closing Dates for the Job Openings.
- Don't use all uppercase letters in your
postings -- YOU'RE SHOUTING ON THE NET!
- Always respond to resumes submitted
to you in e-mail.
- Cross-Post, don't double post.
- Make sure that you post your message
in 80 column format. Don't use a word
processor that may just make you look
bad when your text goes into an 80 column
- Proofread your job opening as if you
were the job seeker: see if you could
respond to it, given the information in
- Allow people to email their resumes:
save them and you some work and money.
- Get a web browser so that you can see
who is out on the Net. If you are competing
for the best employees, you had better
know who your most forward-thinking competitors
After the panelists each spoke for about
20 minutes each, they went up on stage to
Some suggestions that arose from the Q&A:
- Put your e-mail address on your resume.
- For entry-level/college job seekers:
make sure you get internship experience
over your summers during college.
- Don't let your current employer know
that you are searching for a new job.
- If you are posting your company's job
openings to the Internet, it shows that
you are a leading-edge firm.
- Approximately 90% - 95% of the jobs
listed today in the major Internet job
posting newsgroups such as misc.jobs.misc
- The true value of the Internet for Job
search is not simply as a database for
job openings -- it is a tool for networking,
making contacts with professionals who
can help you in the process.
- You can use Newsgroups and e-mail lists
to hunt down non-computer-related jobs.
- Check out misc.jobs.entry-level if you
are a college student.
- Use online resources to research information
about the companies to which you are applying:
don't go into an interview blind.
- Use the Net (e.g. E-Span) to find out
Salary guidelines for your profession
The next RMIUG meeting is scheduled for Tuesday,
March 14th at 7pm. Colorado's own Phil Zimmerman,
the "notorious cryptographer, " world famous
author of the encryption program PGP will
speak on: Cryptography and Civic Hygiene:
The role of cryptography in a free society.
He will describe his work creating PGP and
the ongoing investigation of him by the US
government. The meeting will be held in the
main seminar room at NCAR, 7pm, Tuesday, March
RMIUG wishes to thank the National Center
for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) for use
of the Main Seminar Room in the Table Mesa
Lab, and for the ongoing assistance of the
evening staff at NCAR and of Shelby Pillow.
RMIUG wishes to thank Internet One of
Boulder for sponsoring the refreshments,
NCAR for the use of their meeting room,
and XOR Network Engineering for electronic
Suggestions/comments/feedback are always
welcome - please email these to email@example.com
or call Dan Murray at 447-3475.
RMIUG "Executive" Committee: firstname.lastname@example.org
RMIUG Librarians (Joe Betts & Bo the Bohemian):
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